New to this forum, just got my first “red label” Yamaha, an FG-230, also my first 12 string. No stranger to Yamaha, also own an FG-411s. The FG-230 is non- functional, suffering from many issues, it’s not pretty, apparently unloved for quite a while. Perfect for my type of project guitar.
First impression: well built, laminated top more robust than solid spruce, the 12 string neck surprisingly straight, finish beat up but tough. Binding good, no cracks, except hinting a seam crack on top in lower bout( re- humidifying inside as I write). Hopefully my rehab will be successful, and I’ll be able to play it.
As members of this forum know, these guitars were known even in the 1980s as being legendary for the way they sound. Hope that’s not hype...
Glad to hear about parts. I know I forgot something, it will come to me later.
Laminated tops don’t “potato chip” like solid spruce, but they can split the center seam in the lower bout. A Framus I had did, but not as bad as my FG - 411s, which had a gap. This vintage FG is tough. Too bad the finish on this one is poor.
BTW, did see a 5 on one side and a 6 on the other inside the guitar. Can barely make out remnants of date code near 6. May have to check it out with a black light 😉
Glad to hear about parts. I know I forgot something, it will come to me later.
Laminated tops don’t “potato chip” like solid spruce, but they can split the center seam in the lower bout. A Framus I had did, but not as bad as my FG - 411s, which had a gap. This vintage FG is tough. Too bad the finish on this one is poor.
BTW, did see a 5 on one side and a 6 on the other inside the guitar. Can barely make out remnants of date code near 6. May have to check it out with a black light 😉
Yamaha FG's aren't laminate, they are plywood. The layers are at 90 degrees. That makes them split proof. I have seen some minor center seam cracks, but it was only in the thin outer ply because that layer dried out. There's no way the thick inner ply is going to shear against the grain. About the only structural damage I've seen to an old FG is loose or cracked braces, they are very small and thin, which is probably the reason they sound so good.
The date code can be very hard to find. Sometimes its light, smudges, or partially under the kerfing.
Hello, not sure if this is still looked at but my brother gifted me a Yamaha Red label Gakki 230 which was really beat and needed a neck reset, frets, fretboard plane, bone nut/bridge. I did all this plus sanded the whole guitar down and refinished with transtint dye (light) and Tru Oil. Turned out really good with one exception, the bridge is slightly misaligned due to the hide glue setting so fast. I compensated by cutting slots in the bone bridge. It has a tight focused sound and sounds great. The action is good also due to neck reset and new frets. I may in the future install a new bridge to align better but due to how it plays it's on hold. I'm confused as to the serial number 1176794 and by looking at the red label 7 digit chart, it seems to be early 70s. Anyone able to decipher the number?
Anyway, this guitar was headed for a trash bin and I was conflicted on doing all this, but I'm very pleased at the outcome.
Hello, not sure if this is still looked at but my brother gifted me a Yamaha Red label Gakki 230 which was really beat and needed a neck reset, frets, fretboard plane, bone nut/bridge. I did all this plus sanded the whole guitar down and refinished with transtint dye (light) and Tru Oil. Turned out really good with one exception, the bridge is slightly misaligned due to the hide glue setting so fast. I compensated by cutting slots in the bone bridge. It has a tight focused sound and sounds great. The action is good also due to neck reset and new frets. I may in the future install a new bridge to align better but due to how it plays it's on hold. I'm confused as to the serial number 1176794 and by looking at the red label 7 digit chart, it seems to be early 70s. Anyone able to decipher the number?
Anyway, this guitar was headed for a trash bin and I was conflicted on doing all this, but I'm very pleased at the outcome.
Tony
I see all posts. Great save!! It's easy to lose alignment to the bridge when fixing the neck angle. I check that often during the process. Of course, putting it in the neck jig with string tension gives me visual feedback that the action and alignment are correct, or at least very close. I use fish glue, it has the same properties as high glue with much longer open time, and it's used at room temperature.
Your guitar was made in late March/early April 1970.